Moses Was Not a Dispensationalist (Ep. 248)

Dispensationalists often argue that Old Testament promises to Israel must only be fulfilled in a physical way to the earthly nation of Israel. There are many complexities with that view because even in the Old Testament, the word “Israel” is also used to mean the promised land, the northern kingdom, the church, or even Jesus Christ. And while there are promises that were made to the physical nation, it is important to understand that God laid the groundwork for bringing in the Gentiles to Moses all the way back in the Pentateuch. In Deuteronomy, in the Song of Moses, Moses understood that the earthly nation of Israel was just a type and that those to whom God gave the gift of faith are the true Israel.

In this episode, we look at how fundamental the typology of Israel is to redemptive history and how easy it is to miss it because of how strongly dispensationalism has been pushed in the US and much of the rest of the world.

Timecodes
00:00:00 Song of Moses
00:09:47 Tower of Babel
00:22:01 Rejoice O Gentiles
00:32:57 Israel’s Rebellion
00:49:40 Dispensationalism

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Moses Was Not a Dispensationalist (Ep. 248 Audio)

Dispensationalists often argue that Old Testament promises to Israel must only be fulfilled in a physical way to the earthly nation of Israel. There are many complexities with that view because even in the Old Testament, the word “Israel” is also used to mean the promised land, the northern kingdom, the church, or even Jesus Christ. And while there are promises that were made to the physical nation, it is important to understand that God laid the groundwork for bringing in the Gentiles to Moses all the way back in the Pentateuch. In Deuteronomy, in the Song of Moses, Moses understood that the earthly nation of Israel was just a type and that those to whom God gave the gift of faith are the true Israel.

In this episode, we look at how fundamental the typology of Israel is to redemptive history and how easy it is to miss it because of how strongly dispensationalism has been pushed in the US and much of the rest of the world.

Timecodes
00:00:00 Song of Moses
00:09:47 Tower of Babel
00:22:01 Rejoice O Gentiles
00:32:57 Israel’s Rebellion
00:49:40 Dispensationalism

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Is Interracial Marriage Sinful or Unwise? (Ep. 247)

There are many false teachers on social media who are making foolish statements about race, culture, and marriage, saying things like, “interracial marriage isn’t a sin, it’s just not ideal,” or “it’s fine to tell your white daughter she shouldn’t marry a solid Christian black man because you want grandchildren who look like you.” These wolves are not just giving bad advice; they are attacking the heart of the gospel, not because the gospel requires you to marry someone from a different culture or “race”, but because it commands you to prioritize spiritual matters over physical concerns. Most people don’t have the luxury of choosing between two or more identical spiritually-qualified life partners. And the last thing you should do in such a situation is make physical matters primary.
And we should not think this is a new debate. It has been going on for some time in different forms, and though now its proponents are trying to soften it from the open Bob Jones University position, which banned interracial dating until 2008 by claiming it was against God’s design. So here’s the question: Is there any actual Scriptural support for their idea?

Timecodes
00:00:00 Leaders Pushing This
00:08:32 Qualifications for Marriage
00:16:04 Moses’ Marriage
00:22:58 Christ’s Marriage
00:28:52 Ruth’s Marriage
00:33:02 What Is Race?
00:49:28 Is It Unwise?
00:54:00 Biblical Law
00:57:29 Christian Culture
01:08:35 Punishment for Foreign Wives

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Is Interracial Marriage Sinful or Unwise? (Ep. 247 Audio)

There are many false teachers on social media who are making foolish statements about race, culture, and marriage, saying things like, “interracial marriage isn’t a sin, it’s just not ideal,” or “it’s fine to tell your white daughter she shouldn’t marry a solid Christian black man because you want grandchildren who look like you.” These wolves are not just giving bad advice; they are attacking the heart of the gospel, not because the gospel requires you to marry someone from a different culture or “race”, but because it commands you to prioritize spiritual matters over physical concerns. Most people don’t have the luxury of choosing between two or more identical spiritually-qualified life partners. And the last thing you should do in such a situation is make physical matters primary.
And we should not think this is a new debate. It has been going on for some time in different forms, and though now its proponents are trying to soften it from the open Bob Jones University position, which banned interracial dating until 2008 by claiming it was against God’s design. So here’s the question: Is there any actual Scriptural support for their idea?

Timecodes
00:00:00 Leaders Pushing This
00:08:32 Qualifications for Marriage
00:16:04 Moses’ Marriage
00:22:58 Christ’s Marriage
00:28:52 Ruth’s Marriage
00:33:02 What Is Race?
00:49:28 Is It Unwise?
00:54:00 Biblical Law
00:57:29 Christian Culture
01:08:35 Punishment for Foreign Wives

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Why Annihilationism is Heresy (Ep. 246)

Does the Bible clearly teach that those who did in their sin are tormented for all eternity in the lake of fire? Or does it suggest that there is an end to God’s wrath against sinners? While the church has long held the former position, in late 2025, Kirk Cameron posted a video where he genuinely questions the doctrine of eternal judgment, or, as those who hold to conditional immortality like to call it, eternal conscious torment. This view, often called annihilationism, redefines Biblical death and eternal torment for a period of judgment ending in annihilation. While we will deal with many of the verses that they use in this episode, it is worth first considering how changes to eternal judgment affects all of theology. Those who argue for conditional immortality often act like their view does not impact other doctrines. So here’s the question: Are they correct?

Thumbnail image by Ivan Vtorov under CC BY-SA 3.0. It shows not hell, but a lava lake in a Hawaiian volcano.

Timecodes
00:00:00 Why Does it Matter?
00:04:49 What Is Death?
00:19:12 Changing Terms
00:22:26 Eternal Contempt
00:28:16 Unpayable Debt
00:36:56 Rich Man and Lazarus
00:42:36 Destroying Soul and Body
00:52:19 The Second Death
00:59:13 God Can’t Be Like That?
01:08:11 Wages of Sin Death
01:12:42 Corruption in Hell
01:14:09 Conclusion

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Why Annihilationism is Heresy (Ep. 246 Audio)

Does the Bible clearly teach that those who did in their sin are tormented for all eternity in the lake of fire? Or does it suggest that there is an end to God’s wrath against sinners? While the church has long held the former position, in late 2025, Kirk Cameron posted a video where he genuinely questions the doctrine of eternal judgment, or, as those who hold to conditional immortality like to call it, eternal conscious torment. This view, often called annihilationism, redefines Biblical death and eternal torment for a period of judgment ending in annihilation. While we will deal with many of the verses that they use in this episode, it is worth first considering how changes to eternal judgment affects all of theology. Those who argue for conditional immortality often act like their view does not impact other doctrines. So here’s the question: Are they correct?

Thumbnail image by Ivan Vtorov under CC BY-SA 3.0. It shows not hell, but a lava lake in a Hawaiian volcano.

Timecodes
00:00:00 Why Does it Matter?
00:04:49 What Is Death?
00:19:12 Changing Terms
00:22:26 Eternal Contempt
00:28:16 Unpayable Debt
00:36:56 Rich Man and Lazarus
00:42:36 Destroying Soul and Body
00:52:19 The Second Death
00:59:13 God Can’t Be Like That?
01:08:11 Wages of Sin Death
01:12:42 Corruption in Hell
01:14:09 Conclusion

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Is the American Church Bloodthirsty? Venezuela, Trump & Unjust Wars (Ep. 245)

Recently, President Trump sent troops into Venezuela to “arrest” President Maduro, an action that, according to the Constitution, certainly should require the approval of Congress. And even though President Trump did this on his own authority and, according to many reports, around 100 people were killed, most conservatives, including many who identify as Christians, have applauded this action. And this is not the first time that an American president has waged war or ordered the killing of citizens of foreign nations without due process. In 2011, President Obama ordered the killing of an American citizen by drone strike. President Clinton ordered bombings on a pharmaceutical company that killed one worker and injured others. President George H. W. Bush ordered the invasion of Panama on the grounds of “self-defense”. And there are many other examples. And while many will defend these actions based on the fact that the people killed were “not good people”, that should not be part of the equation. The question is does the American president have the right in the eyes of God to kill those who he considers a significant enough threat? Is that where God’s word draws the line? Is it where the laws of the United States draw it? There are many bad people in the world, so can the president righteously kill whoever he chooses, or is he committing murder? And if it is wrong, why does the church so overwhelmingly support these bloodthirsty policies?

Timecodes
00:00:00 Venezuela
00:04:53 Playing God
00:09:15 Lethal Force
00:11:37 Legitimate President?
00:15:55 Act of Undeclared War
00:23:51 Need for Justice
00:27:26 Bloodthirsty Nature
00:39:11 Romance of Bloodshed
00:44:05 Maduro Charges
01:00:43 Lawlessness Abounds
01:20:04 Nigeria Attack

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Is the American Church Bloodthirsty? Venezuela, Trump & Unjust Wars (Ep. 245 Audio)

Recently, President Trump sent troops into Venezuela to “arrest” President Maduro, an action that, according to the Constitution, certainly should require the approval of Congress. And even though President Trump did this on his own authority and, according to many reports, around 100 people were killed, most conservatives, including many who identify as Christians, have applauded this action. And this is not the first time that an American president has waged war or ordered the killing of citizens of foreign nations without due process. In 2011, President Obama ordered the killing of an American citizen by drone strike. President Clinton ordered bombings on a pharmaceutical company that killed one worker and injured others. President George H. W. Bush ordered the invasion of Panama on the grounds of “self-defense”. And there are many other examples. And while many will defend these actions based on the fact that the people killed were “not good people”, that should not be part of the equation. The question is does the American president have the right in the eyes of God to kill those who he considers a significant enough threat? Is that where God’s word draws the line? Is it where the laws of the United States draw it? There are many bad people in the world, so can the president righteously kill whoever he chooses, or is he committing murder? And if it is wrong, why does the church so overwhelmingly support these bloodthirsty policies?

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Is Heresy Only Against Essential Doctrines? (Ep. 244)

Kirk Cameron came out recently saying that he leaned toward a view of conditionalism which is a flavor of annihilationism. Many people started to ask, “Is Kirk Cameron a heretic?” Todd Friel described why he thinks annihilationism is not a heresy and why therefore Cameron is not a heretic. To do this, he utilized a common method that categorizes each theology as either “Essential” or “Non-Essential”. In his view, to be classified as a heresy, the wrong idea must be about an essential doctrine (he also seemed to say if you hold to a heresy, then you are a heretic, but that may have just been in the context of Cameron’s position as a teacher) The problem is that this method of categorization regarding heresy does not come from Scripture. So we feel that it is worth discussing what the bible actually says about heresy and what makes a man a heretic. While Friel and many others say that heresy is different than error or being wrong, the Greek word that is translated heresy means “to choose”. The word also contains the idea of creating divisions. So heresy fundamentally means to choose to believe something that is not true. But does this mean that everyone who chooses to believe something that is not true is a heretic. NO. Absolutely not. According to scripture, a heretic is one who refuses to repent when corrected and who teaches their false view to others, causing division in the body of Christ.

So, why is it dangerous to make heresy to hold to something essential? Because what scripture teaches us is that God loves those things that we do out of faith and he hates those who love lawlessness. And lawlessness is not limited to “essential” doctrines, but springs up in many places and defiles many. It’s also dangerous to define heresy as something other than error, as it makes distinctions and categories that God does not make. It lets us give ourself a pass on willful disobedience to the word, and it ignores the fact that all doctrine is connected. As we will discuss in this episode, annihilationism attacks the nature of the atonement and the depth of God’s justice and mercy. This is true of many other doctrines that would not be considered “essential”. So we disagree strongly with Todd Friel about whether annihilationism is a heresy. But is Kirk Cameron a heretic? Watch the episode, and let us know what you think in the comments (more importantly, let us know what you believe the scriptures say, and help us correct our thinking if we are wrong).

Timecodes
00:00:00 Todd Friel on Heresy
00:03:51 What is Heresy?
00:10:32 Gradations of Heresy
00:34:37 Confessions
00:36:59 Essential Doctrines?
00:43:35 Advancement of Doctrine
01:00:09 Lofty Goal
01:05:00 All Doctrine is Serious
01:09:58 Reject a Heretic
01:32:47 Pulled from the Fire

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson

Is Heresy Only Against Essential Doctrines? (Ep. 244 Audio)

Kirk Cameron came out recently saying that he leaned toward a view of conditionalism which is a flavor of annihilationism. Many people started to ask, “Is Kirk Cameron a heretic?” Todd Friel described why he thinks annihilationism is not a heresy and why therefore Cameron is not a heretic. To do this, he utilized a common method that categorizes each theology as either “Essential” or “Non-Essential”. In his view, to be classified as a heresy, the wrong idea must be about an essential doctrine (he also seemed to say if you hold to a heresy, then you are a heretic, but that may have just been in the context of Cameron’s position as a teacher) The problem is that this method of categorization regarding heresy does not come from Scripture. So we feel that it is worth discussing what the bible actually says about heresy and what makes a man a heretic. While Friel and many others say that heresy is different than error or being wrong, the Greek word that is translated heresy means “to choose”. The word also contains the idea of creating divisions. So heresy fundamentally means to choose to believe something that is not true. But does this mean that everyone who chooses to believe something that is not true is a heretic. NO. Absolutely not. According to scripture, a heretic is one who refuses to repent when corrected and who teaches their false view to others, causing division in the body of Christ.

So, why is it dangerous to make heresy to hold to something essential? Because what scripture teaches us is that God loves those things that we do out of faith and he hates those who love lawlessness. And lawlessness is not limited to “essential” doctrines, but springs up in many places and defiles many. It’s also dangerous to define heresy as something other than error, as it makes distinctions and categories that God does not make. It lets us give ourself a pass on willful disobedience to the word, and it ignores the fact that all doctrine is connected. As we will discuss in this episode, annihilationism attacks the nature of the atonement and the depth of God’s justice and mercy. This is true of many other doctrines that would not be considered “essential”. So we disagree strongly with Todd Friel about whether annihilationism is a heresy. But is Kirk Cameron a heretic? Watch the episode, and let us know what you think in the comments (more importantly, let us know what you believe the scriptures say, and help us correct our thinking if we are wrong).

Timecodes
00:00:00 Todd Friel on Heresy
00:03:51 What is Heresy?
00:10:32 Gradations of Heresy
00:34:37 Confessions
00:36:59 Essential Doctrines?
00:43:35 Advancement of Doctrine
01:00:09 Lofty Goal
01:05:00 All Doctrine is Serious
01:09:58 Reject a Heretic
01:32:47 Pulled from the Fire

Production of Reformation Baptist Church of Youngsville, NC
Permanent Hosts – Dan Horn, Charles Churchill and Joshua Horn
Technical Director – Timothy Kaiser
Theme Music – Gabriel Hudelson